Q&A with the 4th Horseman

January 2007, updated May 2008.
Self-Interview

Image by Pat Marvenko Smith

I may not be pretty but, am I as ugly as the dude in this picture?
(Psst - I am on the far right!)

Let's get one thing clear before you read this -- if this were a contest / WORLD LOTTERY --
I "won" it. Although the winner was already chosen a long time ago. The odds were 1 in 7 billion more/less.
It had to be someone / some soul -- and to my surprise -- it was me.

Who Wants to Be a Millionaire - First Winner

Who the heck are the 4 horsemen?

The first question that I just have to ask is -- do you ride a horse?

Don't be silly. To understand many things written in the past (and today too), one must think in the "language of metaphor."  For the record - I have ridden a horse a couple of times and enjoyed it immensely. Once down the Grand Canyon (mule) and once in the jungles of Costa Rica. Location probably had a lot to do with my enjoyment.

Happy? I'm riding a horse! Just for you.

For readers who are unfamiliar with them - who are the FOUR horsemen?

The 4 Horsemen are individuals who appear in the last book of the Christian Bible - Book of Revelation. They herald the arrival of Armageddon. People can learn more about them and this Book of Revelation in the appropriate section of the website.

Who is the 4th horseman?

In the Bible it says he is the Horseman of Death with hell / hades coming right behind him. This is true. Of course hell is not physically behind me, but metaphorically it is.

Metaphor - Tombstone - You tell em' I'm coming!
Watch on Youtube
 

Who are the other 3 horsemen?

The answer to this is in the Age of Light - Minority Report section. I could tell you now, but it is easier to see the table on that webpage.

I heard that you are of no particular religion, can you clarify?

Yes, that is correct. I am JUST trying to be a GOOD Human BEing. That's it. We don't need religion. But, we preferred to create this fantasy. "Playtime" is over.

If you are not religious, let alone Christian, how can you be the 4th Horseman?

The 'secret' about the Book of Revelation, is that it's a fairytale. The only reason it's coming true, is that so many people believe in fairytales. They CHOOSE to believe in fairytales, rather than SEE the TRUTH.  Think of it like Harry Potter coming to the "big screen" -- though, a little more real than that.

Are you saying Christianity is a fairytale?

Yes and no. The central figure in it - Jesus Christ - was real, but his message and who he was has been twisted and turned into something unrecognizable.  You get bits and pieces of him in various books/chapters of the bible - and yet if people really did follow what's written, our world would be different. I could turn this into a critique of the Bible, but I won't.

Readers will see that it is a lofty position you are putting yourself in, why should anyone believe you? You don't have someone to introduce you?

I have made clear, no-one should believe anything I say. I suggest not BeLIEving anything at all!  People can choose to read what I have put together and at some point have a strong suspicion.

I have no one to introduce me unfortunately. That would imply that two people need to have an awakening. Less confusing getting the message from one person.   ...but I am introducing the Judge.

How can there be other 'religions' involved in a 'Christian prophecy?'

The other religions might wonder why a Christian text is prominent in the final truth.  Taking another perspective - who said the original message, was to create a religion?

Why are you the 4th horseman?

I was a certain person 3,000 years ago in a past life (Reincarnation). It may have been my first life, or just one of many lives. Whatever the case, it is a notable life. It's no secret, as I have told more than a handful of people. If you want to know, lose your pride to find out. There is a reason I usually do not tell people straight up. Though, some more astute readers might guess correctly.

What is with the colors? Are the riders the same colors as the horses?

For three of them, they are, the other, it is a very close match - and exact based on how horses are classified by color.   The phrases in Revelation only note the color of the horse, not the rider. This is explained more in the Age of Light - Minority Report topic.

What are the exact passages from the Book of Revelation?

See the Bible Revelation section - Four Horsemen. Or one can pull out their Bible or use an online source.

Finding Out

When did you first know that you are the 4th horseman?

June 2006 - after deciphering my December 2005 event.

What did you think when you first realized you were the 4th Horseman?

Oh shit. "Disbelief." Even more so when I found out who the other three are.

Tell us about your wilderness period.

That was the period of time from December 2005 to May 2006. I didn't know what had happened to me. I had the official diagnosis, and then I had this powerful experience which I knew I could not have done on my own.  I finished writing my book and sent out a few queries to agents. Then I chose to go traveling for a short time, for me, 6 weeks. One thought was that I had been concentrating too much on writing my first book and my mind snapped.  I also followed the Buddha Boy phenomenon - it was the only thing I could grab hold of.  During my travels I would talk about my event a little, and usually put in a phrase like - "Buddha comes before enlightenment, and the last days are here as we know it."   Which is exactly something I said during the event.  

It was only when I returned home and found the Remote Viewing Tibetan article that things started falling into place. I actually had a chemical change take place in my mind. In other words, it was no mistake that I had this "wilderness period."  The last time I had a chemical change like this in my mind was when I found the 7th and final phrase to terminate pride. Prior to that, it was the 6th phrase - a couple of days before my event.

Are you worried about people thinking of you as a quack?

No. Quack away. With so many people QUACKing out there, not necessarily at me,  it sounds like a chorus of nature that I might hear at a zoo. A zoo of human animals! I recommend the book - The Human Zoo by Desmond Morris.

Ok, thanks for that clarification. Why are you willing to talk about Armageddon and invest so much time in it well before 2010 or 2012?

Some might wonder why I would risk my reputation this soon before 2010 or 2012. My answer is, I am not risking my reputation because I know what I am doing. I had my event(s) - and it was powerful.

Growing Up

Were there any hints in your pre-event time that might have hinted at who you are now?

I was caught totally off guard. But - there is one trait of mine that helped me to put what happened to me in perspective. For a "long time" in my life -perhaps before high school, I've wanted to do something grand for the world. Do something good. To change society in a way no one has been able to do before. At first I thought I needed a lot of money to do this. I even wrote - Billionaire by 30 - in my graduation yearbook.  At some point I realized that this wasn't going to happen, nor would that even matter, as money is not the cause of the problems in this world - the mind is. I chose to "look in the mirror." I thought I needed to learn more, then I would become a writer, and perhaps write a very profound nonfiction book - like the famous - Who Moved My Cheese. 8-)   Boom...shortly after is when my event happened.

A second less important trait, is that I've thought of myself as a JACK of all trades for a long time. I read a wide variety of books. And more recently, complemented that with travels to over 50 nations. My corporate jobs also reflect this mentality. From technical, to marketing and business planning  in a very short span of time. I also ran my own small business for a few years - I did everything, as many entrepreneurs have done before.  One look at this website reveals I cover a lot of different subject areas.  If I was a specialist mentality, this website would not be possible.

Did you write anything else in your high school yearbook?

Yes. That I would be - 1st man on Mars. Funny...how I've always been into space...and here we have....BEings in space watching over us.  I went to Space Academy in Huntsville, AL, USA in high school. Have I mentioned that an early business I ran was called LIGHTSPEED Computer Solutions.

Who did you want to be like when you were growing up?

Christopher Columbus - explorer.  The only "final frontier" that I saw was space. Until I realized there was so much just to explore on earth. Then later -- I chose to explore inward first.  No more heros. I donīt want to BE LIke anyone. I just want to BE.

Do any fictional CHARacters inspire you?

Like many MEN, I've wanted to be like James Bond. I've traveled through many exotics places, been with many women.  Had my share of gadgets. No guns though. No killing.  He doesn't inspire anymore. Just BEing is enough now.

Do you have any nicknames?

More than I would have ever imagined. One of them you may find in the Awakening - Notebook section. JEWIT.

The Job & Sharing

What is your job description?

Tour Guide is probably the shortest title. More specifically - to prepare people for what is to come. Anyone who wants to that is. --- And to bring death. I am the Horseman of Death after all.  That makes more sense when people choose to lose their pride.

Or, I could just be a cook. You know -- the dessert.

Metaphor - Cooking scene from Under Siege with Steven Seagal
 
Are you going to spit in my cooking like Gary Busey? By the way, I don't hit people like Seagal.
I just watch them --  "hit" themselves.

Memorable Quotes for Under Siege (IMDB) - more videos to be added later

What does your family think?

My best example is with my sister. I bet her USD$1,000 that events in 2010 would happen. No need to wait for 2012. The twist is - I already gave her the USD$1,000. And if I win the bet - she can keep the money! She only has to fly and meet me wherever I am, and bring a crate of organic pudding - dry iced!  If I lose, I go fly to where she is and she throws a big pie in my face.  Another rule was that we wouldn't talk about it until then. She's free to look at my website, etc... of course, but she has to navigate through it on her own.

What do your friends think?

Some are more receptive / open-minded, some are not. As far as I know, none have taken all the steps to terminate their own pride.

Have you gained / lost any friends because of this?

I don't think I have gained any friends that I wouldn't already have. Maybe later. We'll see -- I don't hope. Hard to say if I have lost any. Some might want to keep more of a distance - that's possible. I've had time to reflect on this and I am very comfortable talking about it.

What do people think of your story when you first start talking about it?

- Ridiculous
- Alarmed
- Worried
- Scared
- Skeptical
- Curious
- Thankful
- Shocked
- DEfensive

Not necessarily in that order.  It makes a big difference when I can show someone the website, but often I am unable to. There is more on this, when it is ready, in the Sharing section on the main page.

When you do - what do people think when you mention that you are the 4th Horseman? How often do you mention this?

I always ask if someone has ever heard about them and/or the Book of Revelation. Otherwise, I do not talk about this.  I only chose to recently put it on the front page rather than hiding it.

How many people have you told in person? How many do you project?

~ 100 people by my own mouth, face to face. More than that if you count people on a few message forums - which I don't participate much in anymore. I project perhaps as many as 500 - 1000 people by my own mouth and face to face.

Do you give speeches?

No. This story needs to pass from person to person, with the Internet as an aid. Just like the original messages of the past - maybe they should have remained largely an ORAL TRADITION. Besides, I can't imagine someone ever finding a large enough group of people who would pay attention. I'm not here to evangeLIZe.

Would you appear on TV if the opportunity arose? Why or why not?

Probably not - as above. My message wouldn't come across well. But - I won't rule it out. I doubt this would happen.
Besides, it ain't called the ME-DIA for nothing!

Who do you choose to tell / share this message with? (Situations)

They have to speak English -- or more recently Spanish, that is the first.

When I'm traveling,  I've told people in the same dorm / hostel,  waiting at a train station, in a train compartment, waiting at an airport, on a bus, hostel and restaurant staff, and even a lady who worked at a museum gift shop - Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt.  I have to be in the right mood, and it has to be a relatively quiet place.  I use my face reading techniques and intuition to eliminate very prideful people now - no point in wasting my breath.

How do you share it?

I almost always explain the Mayan calendar - which gives a basis for the year 2012. Then I go from there and take either a religious approach or a non-religious method. Sometimes I can show people on an Internet PC nearby. Sometimes I only have a few minutes, so it has to be quick.

With the advances in Word DNA, I often use some variation of that. The Never BeLIEve section is also useful.

How has this changed how you view the 'rest' of your life?

Well - I thought I was going to struggle as a writer for awhile, so I changed my lifestyle to bare minimum possessions and low cost living. I guess I don't have to struggle anymore in that way. Now, I know why I have certain character traits too - I had those in a past life.

How hard is your job?

There are three phases. 1) Writing  2) Learning 3) Sharing the message.    I am always learning, whether about 2012 or personal interest, so I'm used to that. The change now is translating those things I have seen and heard into a message that fits the website - when applicable.  In my prior travels, I never talked about 2012, because I didn't know anything about it.

Sharing the message gets a little difficult sometimes when people look at me funny or otherwise. It's okay, I had a few months to come to terms with this. I don't expect someone who doesn't know me to react in an overly positive manner.   Writing is hard because I only have so much time to setup the website, and correlating facts from all over the world and many disciplines is demanding on the brain.

Do you enjoy your job?

Yes and no.

There is no one I can ask on how to do it. It is a very instinctual thing. I know things when I need to know them.  But, I see the light at the end of the tunnel for the many things that plague our planet now - environmental, and between people.  That part brings me joy. Apart from that, it's just something I do, how can one be joyful about bringing news of death on a scale unimaginable? But, every soul gets what it deserves.

How do you support yourself monetarily until 2012?

I have enough money to sustain myself until money is no longer important. Money saved from the past, real estate, and low living / travel expenses. I am fiscally CREDIBLE, and not in DEbt (Mortgage or otherwise).  

What would you be doing if you didn't realize that you are the 4th Horseman?

A writer....

How does it feel to be the only person spreading the message?

Lonely sometimes. I don't actually feel loneliness though. That is knocked out with the 8th phrase in Mind / No Mind. People might find this odd - but that is the difference between BEing something, and feeling something. We don't want certain feelings anymore. We want GOOD feelings. I'm not the only person either - some people I have shared with it have spread it. I don't know their level of motivation.

Would anyone want your job?

Read the  TOPIC - WIWYJ in the LUNCH BOX.

Those people who you  have shared the message with face to face - were these random or planned encounters / meetings?

I would be inclined to say on the random chance side for most of them, but it is entirely possible that a few people have been selected to get it straight from me - for various reasons. Those reasons -- I would rather not guess.

What sorts of mistakes have you made in sharing the message and creating the website?

In the beginning, I was just writing down as much as I could.  It was like a "brain dump." Amazingly, I originally thought the website would be created with mostly text, and minimal photos / pictures. Then I realized images are crucial to understanding the message. Though images as we know them today are too often abused or misunderstood. In the future a lot more things will be done face - to - face. After all, the majority of communication is subconscious body language.

As many authors could attest to -- there is a challenge to find your voice. While I recently completed a fiction book - this project is on a different scale. It doesn't require a whole new voice - for I would not be who I am today, without having written that first book. But rather, it requires me to elevate my voice to a whole new level. I know sometimes I may come across as too abrasive. I fix that when I spot it. Though writing and reading the same things over and over gets mind numbing at times. Something I experienced when editing my fiction novel.

Another thing is that many of these things I am writing about are NEW to me too. So I may post an initial though, but then have to re-work it based off new information.

The other mistake is that often I post a shell of my thoughts - and it "hangs out there" for a quite a while.  Sometimes with wrong information or something easily misunderstood. And well...as you can see the site has grown a lot so it takes me awhile to reexamine that topic to fix it.

Other

What do you say to people who think this all sounds too complicated?

Well...why don't all those JewISH, Christians, Catholics, and Muslims (These groups account for a major percentage of the world population)...if they wanna make it easy...just follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS without hesitation. There, easy.

Where will you be in 2012?

I DO NOT KNOW. I am moving based off instinct right now. I won't be anywhere near the locations on the final list of cities that are to be destroyed. The "final" city I am in around the final hour might be a dangerous one too. I do not know. I do not know when the final hour is, only the year. I might be traveling somewhere when it erupts.

You talk about un-conditional love and destruction at the same time, is this hypocrisy?

One of my titles is - 4th Horseman of DEATH (Tour guide to Armageddon).   UN-CONditional love will not happen until we wake up. This must happen for us to evolve.   Oh...and I have a "License to Kill." Kind of like James Bond....except on a much bigger scale. And you are thinking - how is Wayne going to do this. Not with his own two hands - but with his mind. Those who lose their pride - WILL KNOW.

For those who met you while you were travelling -  why might you come across differently on the website than you do in person?

The website is aimed for a general audience. In person, I can tailor the message. The website covers a much broader ranger of information. I have to use a certain tone to get my point across. Maybe it seems a bit strong now, but soon, it won't be.

If I knew you from long ago and/or I am your friend now - how do I respond to you - whether or not I think what you say is true or false?

The same as before. Except, now I have a story to tell. If you don't want to talk about it, I'll work hard to not mention it. The one thing to keep in mind is that if I behaved in a certain way in the past or did certain things - those are in the past. I've evolved a lot since then - in my mind. Everyone evolves in their mind to a certain extent, but they carry baggage from the past - I've eliminated a lot of that baggage already, and I'm not done.

If someone "picked" on you a long time ago before (in school), or did "bad" things to you before / hurt you - what do you say to them?

Nothing different. I hold no grudges. My memory of those incidents is faint indeed, if they are even there at all. The same message to everyone -- evolve to BE or die.

What are you like in real life?

My website gives an overdose of information on what I look like, and how I think. You can read original blog entries from 2001 on when I quit my job to go start traveling. Personally, they read a bit foolish, but I guess that's the case when your mind is evolving quickly.

Choice or  Fate / Destiny?

If I had to GUESS -- 99% choice and <1% involvement by higher powers. For me...alot more fate than choice. I won't give a percentage, because I DO NOT KNOW.

Should people be afraid of you?

No. What I represent - yes, unless you are prideless. Though the level of fear you are talking about won't hit the masses until 2010.

Are you a nice guy?

No. I am a GOOD guy. This has a very different meaning. Besides, girls don't like nice guys. I've been there before. Lots of guys think women like bad guys - which has been true. Maybe these girls are just prideful bitches who need a lot of attention - from prideful men. Anyway - I'm eager to see how the sexes relate to each other in the new age.

Are you here to save the world?

No. No. No. No. No. I am here to DEstroy the WARld. The WARld as we KNOW it. We always seem to be at war with one another - physically, economically, or otherwise.  You are thinking this is ridiculous. If you keep reading - I will tell how I will do it. Then I will show you.

Do you want people to like you?

UN-CONditional love would be better. But, frankly, it isn't important. Those people may not be around in the next age. Anyone who lowers their pride, I think they will 'like' me.

The things that I say go against what the VAST, VAST, majority of people "believe" in around the world. I am showing readers things that may seriously offend. Would you like me?  It's - ONE vs ~6,500,000,000 (6.5 billion) -- soon to be 7 billion.  Long odds. But, I ain't here to win money or CONverts. I'm not even here to win!

1 vs 100 -- Very First Millionaire win

Why did you grow up in the Seattle area?

Why were you born in the Detroit Michigan area, and why did you grow up in Seattle area?

Why Detroit area -- read the Age of Light - Animal Kingdom topics. Also the Signs - Economic Turmoil topic.

As for the Seattle area -- it is home to the mightiest BILL-LION-AIRe of them all --

Bill Gates Billionaire 2006 Profile (Forbes) - 2007 Billionaires List (Forbes)   List_of_billionaires 2007 (Wiki)

May 24, 2008 - Melinda Gates urges girls to find way to SAVE the WARld (Seattle Times)

fuelin' the COM-PU-TE revolution

Not just the Seattle area, but I grew up ~ 2 miles / 3 km from Microsoft HQ.
Sometimes on my bicycle route, I cycled past Bill's home - farther away near downtown.
I attended the closest public high school to Microsoft HQ

 Linux: Revolution OS - Spanish subtitles
Watch on Youtube

Learn what else we've learned from the biggest LION AIR of them all.

I have heard you have often rooted / cheered for the "Dark horse." Tell me about this.

dark horse (Dictionary) - dark horse (Urban Dictionary)

LOTR Image - jbartosh Paintings fantasy - Unknown

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no wonder I have...because

I am THE "dark horse"

....BRED in the shadow of the biggest LION AIR on our WARld.

Wherever they are, they WILL ALL FALL...

....unless they are in GOOD STANDING.

Revelation 6  / Apocalipsis 6

 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave
and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the (slain) Lamb!
17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

-- If you want to know who sits on the throne, and who is the lamb, keep reading --

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